Holly Crabtree Mamas and Cubs 8.29.24
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[00:00:00] it's okay to rage. It's okay to feel overwhelmed. It's okay to feel irritable. It's okay to just feel like one day you don't know what you're doing.
You don't have any instincts cause we all come into this motherhood world thinking, Hey, I'm going to have all the instincts in my box. As soon as that baby pops out. I'm going to know exactly what to do and actually we're faced with it with a dilemma with this kind of crossroads in our head of not only mothering a child, but then mothering ourselves.
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This episode is going to blow you away. Doesn't matter if you're a mom. If you're a single mom, if you don't want kids, we have all been affected by motherhood. Whether for us personally, as moms or having the mother wound from your own mom, So you guys, I'm so excited [00:02:00] to have a Holly Crabtree on today.
She is a recovering perfectionist and a mom of two who has faced the challenges of parenting head-on and immerse stronger. On the other side, with over a decade of experience, as a specialist, community public health nurse, she's dedicated her career to supporting parents through their overwhelming journeys.
Her passion for this work has led to recognition, including awards for delivering effective weaning groups and features on the BBC. Holly says at parenting is her passion and her life's work. And that she's here to help you transform your experience from chaotic and difficult to joyful and calm through her calm mom.
Course, she guides you in creating sustainable strategies that allow you to live your best life. She also has one-on-one coaching, where she's able to dive deep into understanding and addressing the roots of your parenting frustrations. What she likes to call your emotional basement. And together you guys would be able to understand the unrealistic, outdated expectations you've set for yourself and embrace your authentic, [00:03:00] loved being. You guys, this is an amazing. Pod. Welcome. Holly and let's get going.
Awesome, Holly. I am so excited to have you here. I know the listeners are going to be really stoked because guys, we have a mom expert, Holly, welcome so much to the rise to her podcast. Thank you so much. And I am a mom myself, popping up and down a baby as we speak. So if you're in the trenches, I'm in there with you.
We appreciate you so much. I know I don't have kids, so I can't speak to this. So I'm really excited to have your expertise, your viewpoint on it and how you've approached it. Because I know you've been coaching for the last 10 years or in this space for 10 years, right? Yeah, so I've been a specialist community public health nurse, and in the UK it's something called a health visitor, which I know in the States you guys don't have.
But essentially we offer parents from the antenatal period and from your pregnant up until your child is five, [00:04:00] a robust service. So that can stem from anything from weaning, sleep, domestic abuse, emotional concerns, postnatal depression, anxiety. The range is just incredible. So I've been doing that for now 12 years.
And I've just started my own business with all those skills that I implemented from working with the lovely national health service that we have here. Wow. First, can I just speak to how incredible of a service that is? And I know when the women and listeners in the States are probably going, what?
Like that is incredible. I love that. And what a unique way to gather skills. So can you tell me now what you're doing with those skills and how your target audience and how you help them? Yeah, so let me just give you a bit of a background. So last year I found myself in a bit of a relationship breakdown with the father of my child and in a bit of a financial predicament, a bit of a crossroads to my true self and my values and who I [00:05:00] was as a mother.
And I reflected on the last two years of motherhood and realized that I had these incredible perfectionist tendencies that I thought would, serve me well. But they didn't serve me and they never served me pre baby either. So I was trying to do everything by the book, but I was trying to do it by the book and I was trying to do it perfectly on top of the pressure of having this 12 years experience as a health visitor pressure on me as well.
So this has been a massive contributor towards my work and where I am today. And I help and support people with my business. So I kind of coach people one on one with their perfectionist rage and overwhelming irritability, because this is something that I saw day in, day out within my services, but we just couldn't address it to the extent that I wanted to, because of.
Or funding and time constraints and all the rest of it. So those things combined are what drive me to getting the message out there that, it's okay to rage. It's okay to feel overwhelmed. It's okay to feel irritable. It's okay [00:06:00] to just feel like one day you don't know what you're doing.
You don't have any instincts cause we all come into this motherhood world thinking, Hey, I'm going to have all the instincts in my box. As soon as that baby pops out. I'm going to know exactly what to do and actually we're faced with it with a dilemma with this kind of crossroads in our head of not only mothering a child, but then mothering ourselves.
So I hope that answers your question because I think I went on a bit of a tangent, but no, that's, that was perfect. And, you're also welcome to speak to your Your experiences leading up to here. I'm sure that would benefit the listeners as well. But you said two words that I would love to hear more about and how they're like working definition impacts your coaching and services.
So you mentioned rage. So can we start there? What do you mean by rage? And is it specific to like, a certain demographic that you're working with? So mum rage is a term coined. That it's got very limited research, because as we know, people don't like to research maternal services, women's services, [00:07:00] anything to do with women.
So it isn't it's a rage that's coming to the forefront. So it's a phrase that's coming to the forefront of kind of motherhood at the moment. And mumrage. It can mean anything between anger, irritability and overwhelm. And it's almost like I like to see it as mum rage as an umbrella term, because rage is anything that's out of the ordinary for you.
So when we think about rage, we think about someone screaming, red in the face, clenching our fists, shaking. Physical violence can sometimes come into our heads when we have that word, isn't it? Those are the connotations that come in. Whereas actually it could just be something like, I just feel so irritated.
You're chewing and I just can't stand that noise anymore. But I never felt like this before I had kids. So that's the way I like to see rage because when, we perceive mothers, we want to see when we look at the word mother. And someone said, what does a mother look like to you? You'd probably see this like Madonna glowing with [00:08:00] light, looking like love, nurturing their child, breastfeeding, but the reality is very different and mum rage doesn't discriminate.
So whether you're a single mom, your own benefits you're really wealthy. You have a myriad of support around you. We know that moms everywhere are just raging and that is okay. And I'm here to normalize that for moms because we don't want to live in a society where we just push that down further, because that's where we see all the issues where we're at the moment.
And when you say issues, what are you seeing as like a result of pushing down those emotions? So we see mothers react to their anger rather than respond to it. So we see that mothers haven't made sense of their anger. They feel guilt, which is the behavior. And then they feel the shame that comes with raging.
So it's not necessarily raging at your kids. It's like maybe raging [00:09:00] at your parents. Or raging at the fridge because it hasn't closed properly and you're slamming that door and it's raging at your bedsheets because they're just not working that day or you get your top caught on a cupboard and it's just the final straw to everything that's built up over maybe years, months.
and weeks. Okay. And then what that happens is that mums walk around feeling like they need to be this Madonna persona, but actually the reality is they are feeling really irritated, they're feeling really angry, then they're feeling guilty and they're just, the crux of it, the foundations of it, is that just not enjoying motherhood anymore.
So my work is almost about wrapping your arms around the mother, nurturing the mother, and letting all feelings be. We're not just here to be these perfect beings that society almost expects us to be. Yeah. Yeah. That's really good. And what came up for me just then, when you said [00:10:00] that about wrapping your arms around the mother is a lot of the women that I work with have had experiences where they have those deep mother wounds themselves, right from their own relationship with their mother.
Can you talk a little bit about that and how that shows up and how you would recommend someone healing that within themselves, even if maybe they don't have a chance to heal that with their own mother, how they can.
So the first thing I would say is there's no kind of like quick fix that we could just do and implement with this. It's going to take little tiny baby steps, tiny little baby steps to healing that mother wound. Because there was a really great analogy by an author. I can't remember her name, but she spoke about.
the mom rage basement and the kitchen, right? So your kitchen is you you're in the kitchen with your three year old, they smash the jar of jam, you've told them not to play with the jam a hundred times, you [00:11:00] scream at your kids, they're crying, you're crying, everyone's sad, dad comes home and all he sees is this mom raging at that kid, right?
That's the kitchen. But the basement is the mother wounds. There the boxes stacked up on top of each other collecting dust, collecting trauma, collecting everything. And what motherhood does, it has a way of rearing every trauma's ugly head. Okay, so that's the way I describe it in my health visiting.
Because we talk about how do you expect to be a parent in our antenatal visits when I am a health visitor as well. Because that expectation and that motherhood fantasy of what you think you should be as a mum, your pin up version of yourself, is generally stemmed from your mum. Or your dad or how you were parented or the dynamic that you lived in around your caregivers, whether that was your parents or not, that will impact the parent who you feel you should be.
And a lot of the time when mothers are raging, [00:12:00] that parent that you feel like you should be, doesn't align with your true self. Okay, so it doesn't even have to be something bad. It could just be something like your mum grew vegetables in the garden and cooked an organic roast dinner every Sunday for the whole family of 16 and it didn't bother her.
Now you grow up and you hate cooking, but you are growing vegetables and giving your family organic veg every Sunday with this home cooked meal and it is stressing you out and giving you overwhelming rage. So it's not necessarily That we look at traumas and mother wounds is like something bad that impacts your parenting and rage.
Now it could be that just everything as a whole, because we want to look at that fantasy version of you that you feel like you should be as a mom and reflect that on your childhood and make sense with who aligned with you now. And that's where the magic happens, but that doesn't happen overnight. It happens with support and guidance [00:13:00] and a lot of unpicking because it's complex stuff.
That is, that's really freaking good, Holly. And it brought up something where you were like, what should I be like, what mother should I be? And I always caution people that when we're hearing that word should, that's a really clear indication that we are accepting expectations that we. Have it necessarily look that and define and picked apart, like you said, to decide if we want it.
The should is an indication to dig deeper and see if we actually want it. Yeah, absolutely. And, I was coaching somebody this week, actually, who said, I really should be this fun, relaxed, chilled mom who's like super, super responsive and attentive. And I'm just like, super cool. And The words she described were super hippie, that was the way she described she wanted to [00:14:00] be, but the person who she was somebody who loved routine, they loved structure, they thrived off being with their kids, they didn't want free time on their own, but society was telling them, in her head, That she needed to be this person, right?
This is who she should be. And this was causing all sorts of issues in her family dynamic, her relationship dynamic. And when we just pinpointed that was the one thing. That she wasn't aligning with, it was almost like a lightbulb moment. Hey, okay, it gives me permission. If I want routine, then that's okay.
No one's going to die, it's not a catastrophe, that's just who I am. And you're embracing who you are to your core, rather than, like you say, who you should be. Yeah. And when it comes to these desires of how you should be a mother, right? So she said, specifically laid back, cool. And I'm wondering if there was parts of her there that maybe she [00:15:00] desired to have those skills to be able to be laid back and cool.
But I think the. Key here. What I'm hearing is the ability to give yourself permission to accept yourself as you are in that moment and knowing that you can still cultivate and grow those skills to maybe be a little bit more laid back in the future. But that doesn't discredit who you are and how you compare in the moment.
What would you say to someone that has these goals to heal? Maybe They have this desire to control everything because it's a way that makes them feel empowered, but they want to eventually be more chill and relaxed. How would you go about bridging those two very distinct ways of being? So it takes a lot of unpicking in terms of if there's a very gray area and we're talking about this between perfectionism and striving to be very rigid.
And very in a sense, put everything in a routine. And there are going to be times in motherhood [00:16:00] where that routine goes out the window, because you can put your kids seven o'clock every night and they are never always going to nap the same. They're never going to the sleep pressure the same.
They're not going to go down at seven o'clock every night. And if that's your rigid routine, then that is just like that one step, like over to one side. Whereas the other side is just pretending not to care and it's causing you loads of stress. And like you say, it's bridging that gap. So what we would do is we would do action steps, working together towards unpicking that bit by bit scenario by scenario, and we would.
put backup in place for the mum. So the mum would be, or you could think of if you're listening to this and you're a mum and you're thinking, hey, I need to bridge that gap somewhere in between. It's thinking about a specific scenario where you weren't aligning with your true self and you were bashing with this fantasy mum.
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And then you could think, okay, how could I manage that? If I want to be in a routine, I could do this X, put them to bed at seven. But if it's not working, what backup plan do I have in my toolbox that I can get out? And they, we need those backup plans as mothers, if we're perfectionists in our heads, because if we don't have those backup plans, then that's when we start to rage, that's when we start to feel overwhelmed [00:19:00] because there's a sense of a lack of control.
So if you're giving yourself that control by having that backup plan. Okay, if they don't go to bed, I put them to bed at seven, but I've been trying for an hour and they're still not going down. I'm just going to bring them downstairs. I'm not going to beat myself up about that. I'm going to sit them in front of the TV.
They can all have a bowl of cereal and we'll go up in two hours when they're ready. So it's like just giving yourself permission to not be perfect. in that moment, but equally just having an action plan in place because they're the main triggers, like tea time, bedtime, breakfast time, getting out the door time.
They're generally the times when we're seeing like, I need to go do something. This isn't going to plan. I'm cause generally those moms are the moms that are always on time before they had kids. They were always the ones who had their dissertations in. months before they were due, they had assignments done, whereas now like motherhood is throwing everything at them and they're like, I can't control this.
Whereas if you have an action plan, you're in control, [00:20:00] but it's still giving you that flexibility. That is good. I love that. You talked about the permission slip and the guilt and shame that moms feel. And I know that's a very common experience for women in general of, feeling guilty for not being a certain version.
What would you say to someone that's really struggling to forgive themselves for maybe the rage that they've had or the things that they've said to their children or partners in the moment of having rage? So I tend to try and flip that on its head a little bit and say Sometimes you won't always stop the rage.
The rage will always be there. And you can't change what has already been and gone. But what you can change is the repair. There is never a wrong time to repair with your kids. Okay, so up until the age of seven. your [00:21:00] child's brain. They used to think it was two, but now they've done new studies to say it was, it's seven.
And then again, at teenagehood, the wiring of the neurons and synapses in the brains are connecting. Okay. And you can still repair your relationship and repair what's happened with your kids at certain parts of their life. And you can continue to do that. Even if you rage by accident, the main thing to think about in that moment.
Is repairing after and how you do it. And the way I talk to moms about it, it's not about saying, sorry, because sorry, doesn't always just mean anything. It's meaningless. If it doesn't have words associated with, sorry, especially to a child. It's explaining Mommy got angry and I shouldn't have shouted.
And Mommy's trying to work on that. But we don't kick when you're trying to put your shoes on. Because that's not kind. So you're saying to your kid, I'm not perfect. I make mistakes, like everybody else. I show emotions like everyone else. [00:22:00] And you know what? I repair them. And that is the important thing.
So many moms focus on their rage and their reactions and what that's going to do to their kids. But the main focus is really the repair. That's good. And we talked about that a lot. I used to work in child welfare and we talked a lot about. The rupture and repair phase, and I think that this even goes beyond just motherhood with young ones, but even in our relationships with our spouses, with our friends, that rupture repair can be a point of deepening the connection and working towards a common goal.
Figuring out the common goal is to feel loved or solve a problem, right? And so utilizing that repair phase and being really intentional about it. Like you said sorry, just doesn't cut it. Like we that's overdone. But how can you explain your side while also acknowledging that you still hurt them in the process?
I love how you mentioned the word [00:23:00] repair, cause that's. That's really good. And I heard baby talking. So hello to baby. Yep. He was just in and out of a sleep cycle. I think he's gone back off. Can we talk a little bit about alone being alone? So you mentioned You are single momming it now. Can you talk about how that's impacted you in your business specifically and feeling the pressure of being a single mom while still running a business and being a high achieving woman?
Oh, gosh. There's a lot of things in that because there's a fine balance, like I say, between hustling and trying to get everything done, being a mum trying to find success, and then doing that as a woman as well. Like you say, such a challenge. I really struggled at the beginning of my business, especially last year with perfectionism.
So I was always that person when I was at university that I needed my assignments [00:24:00] done a week before they're due in. I needed to as soon as I got set a task, I needed to go home and think about it. I was always on time. I was very organized, but that just doesn't serve you when you've got kids and you're running a business to a degree.
It's great because you think, I am so productive, but then what happens? Burnout, right? So it's trying to find that balance. And finding that balance for me has just meant that I'll give myself tasks and I just do exactly like I've said before, but I'll give myself a backup plan. So generally speaking in the morning before they both wake up, I do an hour's worth of work, get that, get her up, get her to nursery.
We come home and then before, when they go to bed, I'll do another hour's worth of work and I have a list of things to do. But what I say to myself is a backup plan. If this doesn't happen, It's okay because we've got tomorrow and tomorrow was never something that was an option for me. It had to be done there and then.
And I [00:25:00] think there's this preconceived idea that you need to hustle in order to be successful. And there is an element of that you have to put Netflix down, put your phone down, put Instagram down for a couple of years and really focus on your business. But it's completely achievable.
And I think the more I help women with their kind of concerns and rage, the more I'm also helping myself at the same time. It's an incredibly difficult task, but once you get yourself into a routine and put the implementations in place to the backups, it's absolutely doable and it's the most rewarding thing.
And it gives you your why is why are you doing this well for the future of my children, and there is no better way than that. Wow, that's good. That's really good. Thank you for sharing that. How do you deal with feeling alone? I think that there's a unique experience within the single mothering, right?
And a single mother who, is running a business. It's not like you're just [00:26:00] taking care of the home and that's it, right? There's multiple expectations. What do you do when you are experiencing that isolation or feeling alone? I'm quite lucky in a sense that I do enjoy my own company. I'm not somebody who has to be around people all the time and seek connection.
I think the only thing that I do seek when you've been talking to children all day is talking to an adult, not your Kiwi voice, which has happened quite a few times. And. What you just have to remember is if you have anybody around you that is offering you help, take it. So when I had Hattie, I didn't take help.
I was like this biggest martyr you've ever met in your life. I could do it all. It wasn't stressful. I could live off three hours sleep, take her to play group, and then keep going the next day. But actually with Fred, my second baby, I made sure that when someone came around and was like, is there anything I can do?
I'd be like, yeah, could you wash my [00:27:00] pots, please? And it just, and they're there to help. They want to help because I think in the Western world, we feel, especially in British culture, that we just be like no. Stiff upper lip. I can do it. I can do it. Don't worry about it. Whereas it's just okay to go, yeah, please.
Can you do that? Or if friends come around going, oh, do you want me to make the cups of tea? Be like, actually, yeah, that's okay. Can you? Okay. And they would be happy to do it. And I think it's giving you, that confidence and permission to go. People are there to help you. So when you're setting up a business and you're a single mom and you have all of this on top of you really lean into that support network, lean into your family, lean into your friends.
And don't try it because it can be really easy, especially in the online business world to just get immersed in it. You probably know yourself, Emily, you just come like this bubble and you only speak to the people who are on the online world. And then you go out and do something like I went camping the other day and I was like, Oh, there is another world out here.
There's nature [00:28:00] and it's really important to make sure you give yourself permission to do those things. Another day without DMing or doing five posts or whatever you're going to do isn't going to kill your business. And it's so important to give you time. So leaning into support for me is certainly important, but like I say, with regards to being alone, sometimes I relish in it.
It's something that I love, but I know for everyone, that can be tricky. Yeah, finding the balance. I love what you said about accepting help and how that shifted from your first to your second kiddo and it brought up the idea of like sociologically speaking, how we were initially existing in tribes and we had groups of people to help us raise.
Our kiddos, and my mom always talked about the village that, was needed to raise children. And in our Western world, how far we've gotten away from that. But sociologically, that is where it started with having help from aunties and [00:29:00] uncles and other people that cared about you because you can't do it.
All yourself. And then there's something to lead into martyrism. You use the word martyr. You're a martyr with your first child. A lot of times we celebrate that in women. Wow. Look at how much she gives. Look at how much she does. And I've really encouraged in my space, a conscious rebellion against moderate martyrism, because that is based on the backs of women and in the States too, like women of color, they need to give and run the household and all of these things.
But we should. As a society start to reject that celebration because that's just celebrating the burnout. So I would love to hear your input on that, too. Oh, absolutely. One of my main messages with regards to my business is shifting the systemic belief that mothers need to be a martyr, that we need to be doing everything.
And the problem with rage is there's also [00:30:00] societal trauma that comes with maternal rage. Let me just explain that a little bit because when I first heard about this I was confused, but what it really means is that when you become a mother, society then deems that you should be nurturing, you should be always giving to others, and However, there's a systemic failing of mothers that we're at the bottom of the pile that our work is deemed not important and therefore, we're all walking around with this incredible invisible load that no one's seeing, the laundry, the washing, the bills, the immunizations, the appointments making sure you've got a good relationship, making sure you've got a clean house, making sure you're going to go back to work soon.
And then you are having this incredible pressure of all of that. And then as soon as you snap a new rage, then you often get labeled. So we get labeled as having postnatal depression, postnatal anxiety, or potentially crazy or hysterical. And I don't like to [00:31:00] medicalize mum rage, because mum rage, if we start medicalizing it, takes it away from the systemic failings of society.
And the systemic failings of society are the fact that mums are expected, especially in the States. We're so lucky we have nine months maternity leave, but in the States you go to back to work six to eight weeks postpartum, right? You haven't even healed your stitches from birthing your baby. You have a C section scars that don't allow you to drive until you're eight weeks postpartum.
And neuroscience states that our brains don't go back to their pre baby state, at least two to three years post birth. And then society tells us, just bounce back. So when we have this massive invisible load on us and we become these martyrs and this pressure, not only that, then we're going back to work because we can't live in a one income household anymore.
And nine times out of 10, I'm not saying all the time, but the person who birthed the baby, is generally when the person goes back home, the [00:32:00] person doing the majority of the housework, even though they're still working part time or full time, they're the ones taking on most of that load. And then society almost gaslights the mother and says why are you raging?
Why are you so angry? And it's complete systemic failures. And on top of that just to sidetrack a little bit, and it's the same in the States, the childcare costs are probably more than my mortgage to put my kid in childcare. So not only do we have that, we're at the bottom of the pile doing the job, which is the most important job in the world to give the future generations the best start in life, but we're treated.
Like crap. So it's part of my mission is really talking about the systemic failures of society and how that impacts rage, because once you start to almost gain momentum on that, you can start to take back power and say, actually no, I'm not going to go home and do all the washing, do all the cooking, brush all the teeth, do all the bedtimes.
We [00:33:00] need to do this 50 50. And because I've been looking after kids. all day that and you've been at work out that we're both working we're just doing two different jobs but my work never stops and it needs to be evened out in that sense so yeah being a martyr is something that I Exactly like you, Emily, would say, no, we need to reduce that and we need to just squash it.
And we need to get that out of women's heads that they need to exceed these expectations to be amazing because you're already amazing. It's just society doesn't see it. Absolutely. I love that. That's really powerful. And I think that kind of sums up what you're saying about giving yourself just permission to be human, that moms are human.
And rejecting the societal pressures. And even if you don't have someone to split things with 50, 50, like there's no prescription of how to be a mom, but showing up as your best self and acknowledging, bringing [00:34:00] awareness to where that rage is coming from, what needs you need to meet that aren't currently being met.
Like when you, your mom, it's not like your own personal needs all of a sudden go away. So giving yourself that permission. And allowing yourself to need things and that doesn't make you less of a caretaker or less of a good mom, I would say it actually helps you show up better because it's showing your kiddos that this is how a woman can love you and still take care of herself and I'm not going to show you a martyr because I don't want you to have to be one.
Absolutely. And that's especially really true for little girls. I grew up seeing my mom absolutely work her butt off as a self employed woman, six days a week. And she was an incredible human being. And her mom before her was really, hot and cleaning. She would always have a tidy house.
So it's this generational cycle of women just doing. And then when we don't do weird, like almost judged as [00:35:00] being like you're like a bit of a lazy mom, aren't you? Or you just don't have a clean house or, Oh, you don't take your baby to baby group. That's not fair on the baby.
And it's we're all so quick to judge women, aren't we? And then what we do is give ourselves these incredible high expectations that we get from, the generations before us and the generations before that. But if you really tune into that and give yourself a good grounding balance, then your next generation of daughters are going to be like, actually, if they get invited to a party and I don't want to go to a party, they're not going to go, they're going to be so much more aligned with what they want to do, rather than thinking, I really should go, I really should go because that's going to make X happy when actually you don't want to.
And it's those simple things that make your life really tricky as you get older in teenagehood and such. There's such amazing skills to show your kids. Yeah. So good. I love that. Holly, you have so much wisdom and I will absolutely need to have you back on the pod. For women that are really [00:36:00] aligning with what you're saying, moms that are wanting support or just wanting to dig into this deeper, can you tell me a little bit about what you're offering right now, how they can work with you and then where they can find you?
Absolutely. So at the moment, I'm offering two main services. I have a small self DIY course, which has got some really amazing high ticket value strategies and a 14 step guide on managing mom rage, overwhelming irritability. And that is on mamasandcubs. com. And you will get a 30 minute free coaching session.
And alongside that, I'm also offering one to one perfectly imperfect program, which is my 90 day coaching session, which you can find on my website. And you can find me on Instagram as well, mamasandcubs. It's M A S underscore and underscore cubs. Beautiful Holly. Thank you so much. I'll make sure to put all of those links in the show notes so that you can go and access her programs access her Instagram.
[00:37:00] I love her Instagram. You guys have to go give her a follow. She has really good stuff. I'm not even a mom and I'm like, yes, this is good. So highly recommend it. Holly, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for what you do for women, families, and just speaking your truth. I really appreciate it.
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